Tuesday, June 22, 2010

Hit Me With Your Best Shot - I have No Choice

It's Tuesday again, and we get our weekly server maintainance today.

And a frikking patch.

As I've mentioned before, I am not a fan of REAL ID, I think it has a whole HOST of exploits and ways to antagonize and ruin folks.

Ruby Sanctum? Um, sure... but I won't probably see much of it until I get through the Lich King kill.

Then there's THIS little gem:

The functionality of the Vote Kick feature in the Dungeon Finder will now
behave differently according to a player's history with the system. Players
using the Dungeon Finder who rarely vote to kick players from a group, or rarely
abandon groups before a dungeon is complete, will find that the Vote Kick option
will have no cooldown. For players who frequently abandon groups or vote to kick
other players, the Vote Kick option will be kept on a cooldown. This
functionality will adjust itself as a player's behavior while using the Dungeon
Finder changes.

Wait, let me get this straight; if there's an asshole in my group that we manage to vote kick out, the game will remember this and will work to prevent me from doing it again?


You have created a system that enhances and encourages douche-baggery, and now you want to make it even MORE difficult to get rid of them?

You already make it impossible to ignore someone after the group breaks up (if they aren't on your sever) you already have a "once per run" maximum on the numbers of idiots we can boot.

And now this?

As a DPSer for the most part, I am pretty much at the mercy of any tanks or healers that want to be an asshole. Mainly because we then have to sit and wait for another one.

If we do manage to boot someone, we still have the high likelihood of THEM being a jerk, and at that point we are S.O.L. and stuck with whomever we get.

And now, you will make my sanity preserving decions follow me?


Again, all I can say is fuck you.

In the 200+ randoms I have run, I have voted to kick 3 times. That's all.

Twice more I *tried* to initiate a vote kick, but I had joined a group already in progress that already had kicked someone, so we were stuck. I have ignored/voted no on a couple other occasions.

I do not abuse the kick system, and it's rare to see others doing so.

I already despise the LFG heroic grind. While assholes aren't the majority of folks running them, there are MORE than enough of them around that 1/3 of my runs have some sort of actively annoying jerk in them.

Most times I will put up with the crap, rather than prolong an already tedious and annoying process. It is only with great hesitation that I will (and the rest of the group will) go through the hassle of vote kicking.

But now you've taken this lame, pretty much already broken tool, and made it even less useful.

Thanks for giving griefers even more power.

If you wanted to do something to help, allow us to rate each other, and track THAT. Or at least keep track of how often a person is voted out. If they get voted out too much, give THEM a time out.


  1. You appear to have not read the vote kick changes very carefully. For someone like you who hasn't vote kicked often, you'll be able to vote kick instantly without waiting. For people who are always vote kicking, they will still have to wait as they do now. Don't see why you'd have an issue.

  2. Thanks for the comment.

    I read the notes carefully, and I know what you are referring to. However, they don't specify how often is "often". Is once a day "often"? Twice a week?

    The reason I'm livid is because they are putting more limits on kicking, when there needs to be MORE ability to KICK.

    They (Blizzard) are completely missing the issue that I, and pretty much every other blogger, have been ranting about after the LFG honeymoon was over: jerks ruining the PuGs, with nothing for us average folks to do other than live with it. Instead, Blizzard goes in the OPPOSITE direction and limits kicks.


    As an aside, if you are habitually kicked out of groups, there needs to be some rammification for being a jerk. (if your behavior is such that you get booted from a group 2-3 times a week, there's a pattern there)

    I'm not implying that everyone should get banned for getting kicked, because there are guilds/groups that grief other players, but I've only run into that one time.

    I run into jerks pretty much daily.

    I do admit, that if I knew that punting some asshat out of my PuG (and still getting stuck waiting afterwards) might have some punitive ramifications for said jerk, I might be willing to do it more often. I think that such a system would require a reason (via check box) though: skill or behavior. Skill wouldn't get "dinged", but behavior would.

    Blizzard seems unable to deal with any of the bigger problems plaguing the game - hacking (even with an authenticator) gold selling, spamming, and griefers.

    Instead they provide a solution to something that just isn't an issue. Seriously, how many times have you been kicked from a group unjustly? (I've been booted a grand total of once)

    THAT is what is so infurating.

    I'm not trying to jab at you or anything, so I apologize if I come across that way. The party /kick issue is a peeve of mine though, so my blood pressure skyrockets when I think about it. Blizzard screwing it up just makes it worse.

  3. I think the reasoning behind this was that it would stop people going "lol, tank has one blue item, votekick" or "DPS is only doing 3.5k dps, votekick."

    Unfortunately, though, the pessimist in me suspects it will function in practice as you say... :/

  4. Tam! Thanks for stopping by :))

    I know we hear a lot of anecdotal complaints of people getting heckled for having low gear in heroics, but are they really getting kicked?

    I don't know how many heroics I've run, but I have never seen a vote to kick just because of gear.

    I've seen a *couple* votes because someone was struggling (which was partly gear related) but that was with fresh 80s that were underperforming. (not THAT badly, either, so I voted not to kick)

    Maybe things are a lot worse on other battlegroups? I just don't think it's a big enough issue that it really needs to be addressed.

    Especially when this "fix" will actually be counter productive in trying to fix a much larger (IMHO) problem.

    Perhaps I'm being naive and thinking that booting nasty players (with some sort of penalty) would be a strong enough social pressure to get folks to play nice?

  5. FYI, you can ignore people after leaving a group. If they said something in chat, right click the name and select ignore. (Note that I have party, say, and whispers broken out in a separate tab so those messages don't scroll out of reach.). Alternately if they didn't speak and you're running Recount, Recount will have recorded everyone's name and server. You can then type /ignore name-server

    Hope that helps.

  6. Kauket - Thanks! I keep forgetting about using their text, but I never knew the /ignore name-server thing!